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Tuesday, November 12, 2013

The early harvest.

I hear stories about Pope Francis inspiring people in Italy to return to Mass, and people in South America to return to confession. And I fervently hope the stories are as advertised, that such is lasting and bears good fruit for the future.

Because, for my part, the most visible fruit of this pontificate has been the occasion to watch intelligent people--my friends--who genuinely love the Church and want what is best for her hurl anathemas, come to blows and engage in a rhetorical civil war.

Good times, as they say.

Good times.



11 comments:

  1. More shots fired at those of us not keen on drinking the Kool-Aide?

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  2. Flambeaux: come now, join Dale in at least *hoping* this is true.

    If it is, it's the sort of thing that ought to be reported, you know.

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  3. Not related, except to my own thought-churn:

    http://veneremurcernui.wordpress.com/2013/11/14/pope-francis-embraces-hermeneutic-of-continuity/

    For those unaware, Abp. Marchetto represents the Benedictine (XVI) read of the Council, and not the revolutionary world-event line of thought.

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  4. I saw that news item a couple of places this morning. Food for thought, if nothing else.

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  5. Because, for my part, the most visible fruit of this pontificate has been the occasion to watch intelligent people--my friends--who genuinely love the Church and want what is best for her hurl anathemas, come to blows and engage in a rhetorical civil war.

    It's added fuel to the fire, yeah, but I just see yet more of the standard "this gives my prudential judgement more support, so I'm going to act like you're anti-catholic now without bothering to engage your arguments!"

    I can see being defensive for the Pope, but that's nothing new, but I definitely see an uptick in using him as a hammer.

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  6. I'd say the Pope has been used as a hammer for centuries. What's changed in the past year is who's being used as nails.

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  7. Oh, not the old tu quoque saw.... Never mind that if you hadn't seen the Pope being used as a hammer before this on the same folks that this Pope is used on, it was amazing luck.

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  8. Tu quoque? Did I say this pontificate's nails were last pontificate's hammerers?

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  9. You responded to a statement that the Pope was used as a hammer more often by saying that the only change was that different people were being hammered; if you wish to say you did not mean to imply that those now complaining were doing the hammering, then it's still irrelevant to the points made.

    Now I remember why I stopped bothering to respond to most blog posts.

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  10. So Price I have only one thing to say to you here.

    Have you read this.

    http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/scalfari-confesses-popes-words-in-interview-may-not-have-been-his-own/

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  11. Given the history of how you manage to read my responses, Ben, I've said everything I'd care to say to you for the foreseeable future.

    Go with God and my prayers.

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