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Thursday, October 23, 2014

About that vote count.

Italian commentator Alessandro Gnocchi argues it's nothing to celebrate--the majority still voted in favor of examining the Kasper proposal.

On the other hand, fellow Italian and historian Roberto de Mattei points out that voting against the Pope's perceived desires is something of a kicking-against-the-goads thing for bishops.

I can't really decide either way. 

But I certainly wish times weren't this "interesting."

8 comments:

  1. Can't decide? What's to decide? Why are bishops there, for goodness sake, to serve God or the Pope? The Catholic Church has already crossed the Rubicon with a majority of the Synod bishops voting in favor of the disputed language. Even to have considered the gay language exposes a level of judgement and spiritual maturity on the part of the Catholic leadership that could easily be exceeded by a troop of monkeys. In most cases these are bureaucrats, administrators. How to respect such trash? I don't. Why would you?

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  2. Yeah, I can't decide because Catholic bishops will behave like Catholic bishops and be team players even when they might object.

    It's a problem, but the fact it is an uninspiring, uncourageous behavior doesn't invalidate de Mattei's argument.

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  3. I'll say its a problem and a damn good reason to quit the Catholic Church. While its certainly true that some will expect bishops to behave as bureaucrats, surprising as it might seem and especially in their case, there is a prior duty to Truth. You can only hide behind the facade of a supposedly Spirit protected structure so long. Looks like we've passed that limit.

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  4. I seem to remember Jesus saying to the first Pope "Get behind me Satan."

    But I guess the problem was that Peter was thinking as humans do, before Pentecost, and luckily for us no Pope has ever thought (or felt) as humans do since.

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  5. Anonymous, quit the Catholic Church for what, pray tell?
    "Simon Peter answered Him, 'Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life.' A 'supposedly Spirit protected structure' indeed! The very core of Catholic belief. I mean, if you're not Catholic I understand you don't accept that, but for us it is kind of a given. We are not guaranteed good bishops or even good popes at all times. We are guaranteed that the Church will be protected from doctrinal error.

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    1. The peace and tranquility of a Christian life unburdened with concerns of the type all too frequently discussed here, Wryman. I think you get your first glimpse of it when you see the Catholic hierarchy for what it is: A ruling class with zero concern for those it is supposed to serve. I don't believe that God creates ruling classes, Wryman, men do, and I've stopped believing that vultures like this will be given truth. This article is enough to demonstrate that, for goodness sake.

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  6. Wonder who anonymous is, and why he is anonymous? Hmmmmmm...

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    1. Yeah, wonder who this anonymous is, and why he's anonymous? I'll bet he's got something to hide. Why he's just like Pauli who doesn't give his last name. Could it be that the two of them are in cahoots? Something sinister here, I say.

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